ahhh one of my favorite things to do is talk to my girlfriends about dates! there is almost always a great story behind every date (if you're able to laugh at yourself). i literally have a notebook full of my dating stories an actual school size spiral notebook, which i plan on turning into a book. last night one of my best friends sent me a text "went on a date with a doofo...he truly split the bill š”š”š”š”" dun dun dun (that was supposed to be the sound from an old school scary movie when they find someone dead...work with me here). the great debate: who pays the first date (ha that's like poetry, get it? it ryhmed...a poem...moving on)
so really who is "supposed" to pay for the first date? when i asked this question to my readers this morning my phone was blowing up with responses from facebook and twitter, it was a war!
i got a mix of responses:
"i always pay but i do observe whether they even look at their purse or consider tipping" - a 28 year old single man who makes me proud to be his cousin
"i definitely think the guy should pick up the bill on the first date" - a 29 year old single male
"it depends who asked who out. if he asked he should pay, if the girl asked she should pay" - a 25 year old married woman
"i will pay as the man but if she makes the attempt she will be remembered forever" - a 26 year old single man
"a man should always pay on the first date especially if the dude is interested in the female romantically, if a woman pays its not a date it's two friends getting together. if a dude can't afford to take a girl out on a first date then he shouldn't be dating" - a very very wise woman if you ask me!
"dutch dutch dutch! a first date is a trial run...why does the guy always have to break bread?" - a single man for a very obvious reason if you ask me! (fuck! that's going to get me in trouble!)
"i had a conversation with 3 female friends about this recently. they said they would want to go dutch. i asked them would the dude lose points if he didn't insist on paying for it, they said no. i told all 3 of them they were full of shit." - a very wise man!
"the only dutch i'm familiar with comes from the neterlands"- my brutally honest and clearly hilarious engaged female bff
"guy should pay"- a married mother of 3
"some women are very independent and like paying their half. other men are traditional and pay for everything. in some cases a person can take it as rude if you do not allow them to pay. then again, you may not want a person to pay because you may think you send the wrong signal" - .... confused
"in all honesty, a girl shouldn't have to pay the first couple of dates! once you're a "couple" then it should be 50/50" - a bride to be
"on a first date definitely the guy...but ladies please please please don't leave your house without money...because at the end of the day you don't really know this guy and he might be expecting you to go dutch" - a taken lady with some pretty solid words of wisdom
"here's the thing. for all the guys that say it should be dutch on the first date...i wonder how many times a first date has turned into a second date"
"i always pay but i do observe whether they even look at their purse or consider tipping" - a 28 year old single man who makes me proud to be his cousin
"i definitely think the guy should pick up the bill on the first date" - a 29 year old single male
"it depends who asked who out. if he asked he should pay, if the girl asked she should pay" - a 25 year old married woman
"i will pay as the man but if she makes the attempt she will be remembered forever" - a 26 year old single man
"a man should always pay on the first date especially if the dude is interested in the female romantically, if a woman pays its not a date it's two friends getting together. if a dude can't afford to take a girl out on a first date then he shouldn't be dating" - a very very wise woman if you ask me!
"dutch dutch dutch! a first date is a trial run...why does the guy always have to break bread?" - a single man for a very obvious reason if you ask me! (fuck! that's going to get me in trouble!)
"i had a conversation with 3 female friends about this recently. they said they would want to go dutch. i asked them would the dude lose points if he didn't insist on paying for it, they said no. i told all 3 of them they were full of shit." - a very wise man!
"the only dutch i'm familiar with comes from the neterlands"- my brutally honest and clearly hilarious engaged female bff
"guy should pay"- a married mother of 3
"some women are very independent and like paying their half. other men are traditional and pay for everything. in some cases a person can take it as rude if you do not allow them to pay. then again, you may not want a person to pay because you may think you send the wrong signal" - .... confused
"in all honesty, a girl shouldn't have to pay the first couple of dates! once you're a "couple" then it should be 50/50" - a bride to be
"on a first date definitely the guy...but ladies please please please don't leave your house without money...because at the end of the day you don't really know this guy and he might be expecting you to go dutch" - a taken lady with some pretty solid words of wisdom
"here's the thing. for all the guys that say it should be dutch on the first date...i wonder how many times a first date has turned into a second date"
bam! stopping right there! she told you!!
i love my readers! so involved! so passionate! and so funny (most of the times unintentionally, my favorite)! the war was intense this morning, the heat was on! the last response i got really hit me (hence the bold bam up there!) but seriously if a guy lets a girl pay on the first date how often does it turn into a second date? and if i does turn into a second date i really believe that regardless of how amazing the date was it is going to stay in the back of the girl's mind (because gentlemen we forget nothing, remember that...how's that for irony). regardless how independent, successful, strong, and stubborn a woman is she wants a gentleman!
being a gentleman does not mean being a sugar daddy or make you a walking atm, remember i am just referring to the first date. and if as a man you are truly interested in a woman and wanting to court her with the potential of her being your lady than i personally believe there should be no questions asked about the first date bill...it's yours! "but she asked me out" wah wah cry me a river, lucky you that this amazing woman asked you out "how do you know she's amazing" either she's amazing or your stupid for taking a less than amazing woman out...bam! this is coming from an extremely independent, self sufficient, and able woman. i don't need a man to pay for me, i can obviously go out and pay for my own meal but it's the principle.
being a gentleman does not mean being a sugar daddy or make you a walking atm, remember i am just referring to the first date. and if as a man you are truly interested in a woman and wanting to court her with the potential of her being your lady than i personally believe there should be no questions asked about the first date bill...it's yours! "but she asked me out" wah wah cry me a river, lucky you that this amazing woman asked you out "how do you know she's amazing" either she's amazing or your stupid for taking a less than amazing woman out...bam! this is coming from an extremely independent, self sufficient, and able woman. i don't need a man to pay for me, i can obviously go out and pay for my own meal but it's the principle.
i spent years literally fighting guys that i would go out with for the bill; i never wanted them to think i was a gold digger and that i needed them or that i was using them. but now that i am secure, comfortable, and know exactly who i am that fear is gone (amen, hallelujah).
if i could give men one piece of advice it would be don't even let her notice the bill came and went, that is the worst, the awkward fight for the bill. grab the bill, quickly review, insert card (so have it readily accessible), and give it right back to the server! don't make it an episode just do it, it is honestly such a freaking turn on dude! if you liked her enough to even go out on a legit date just take the bill.
"what if she's using me, what if she's a gold digger" first off, if she's a gold digger trust me she's after much more than a damn meal and the red flags for that will smack you in the face. second, using you for what dude? do you know how many guys use girls "i took that chick out to a nice ass restaurant and she ain't even kiss me" oh well! are you taking her out for a piece of ass or because you want to get to know her? if it's for ass then well buddy you deserve to be used!
"but i'm not made of cash i'm on a tight budget" ok so then i would say taking her out to a five star restaurant and ordering two bottles of wine is a terrible idea. who says you have to drop a lot of money to make it a good date, that's absolutely ridiculous and if you're dealing with a woman who feels that way...run! (that's the red flag smacking you in the face) don't take her on a first date you can't afford dude, that's not fair to anyone. one, your poor bank account and two, her. not her because she's not getting the five star restaurant but because she's not getting the real you. dude it's ok to not be rich, think outside the box and come up with an awesome first date that doesn't break the bank (let me introduce you to the world of groupon a world where amazingly cool activities are extremely affordable and make you the man...bam, don't say i never did anything for you!) "well i can't afford that either" well guess what sunshine your ass is in no position to be dating anyone right now! focus on yourself, your life, career, etc...sorry but i'm only being honest.
at the end of the day if you're debating this topic then guess what you're not ready for a serious relationship, a real woman. so keep going dutch on the first date and come back to me and let me know how many of those turned into second dates...